macdibble ([info]macdibble) wrote,
@ 2007-03-06 16:38:00
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The Two Most Important Things IMHO
When it comes to the craft, no matter what you are writing, there are two things that are worth investing more time developing than any other aspect of craft, number two is 'voice'. 'Voice' is the manner in which you tell the story. The words you choose, the sentence structure, the familiarity you can invoke. It has to be either a voice the reader is used to or a voice that is so compelling it sucks your reader in completely.

I'm quite good at voice. And like all people who are quite good at something, I love it. I love voice too much. I always feel like if I get the voice right, I'm 70% of the way to a great story. I get the impression John Marsden feels this way too. He is an Australian King of voice. Nick Earls is too. They're doing well using great voices. I know this because I have developed a great 'ear' for 'voice'. It looks like most other ears, a couple of piercings, regular shaped lobes, not too big, not too small, not too sticky-outey. I reckon if my 'ear' can learn about 'voice' then it can't be too hard to master.

The reader has to read the story and feel like the protag is speaking using their thought patterns. Writing is not a thing where you try to impress the reader with your prose. Writing is something where you try to show the reader a story using their words. It's a completely giving thing. It is my humble opinion that writing should suck a lot out of a writer. If a writer finds it easy, I immediately suspect that he/she is doing it wrong. Of course, it may just be harder for me than other writers. I'm pretty sure Neil Gaiman writes faster than me, for instance. Of course, he knows people are waiting for what he writes. What I write has to endure months of slogging around looking for a home. That's how it is down here in the doldrumous sea of mid-list writers (is doldrumous a word?).

Things like word choice, tightness, flow, sentence structure, are all very important when trying to get a voice that readers will appreciate and reading great writers is a fantastic way to observe 'voice' in action. You can't get a university degree in 'voice'. It is an intuitive thing. If you have it, you can develop it. The check list in "How to be a Children's Writer' outlines ways to tell if you have an innate knowledge of good 'voice'. If you have 'voice' start paying attention to the way good authors use theirs.

The number one most important thing when it comes to writing is the 'great idea'. It's sad for me. Here I am, all crafty with fantastic 'voice' and I still have to come up with the 'great idea' or it's all for nothing. Sometimes 'great ideas' get published and the author has an off or slightly stilted 'voice'. That's very annoying to me. I know I could write the 'great idea better... but then I didn't come up with the 'great idea'. Let's face it: great 'voice' is something you can develop, great ideas/extrapolation/plots require a higher starting point. But still, they can be developed.

Now the first 100 'great ideas' you dream up will have already been done by someone else. Sad, isn't it? You need to dream up the 100 and 1th 'great idea' or possibly the 200 and 2th 'great idea'. Come on, do you want to be a writer or not? It's not like you're the first person to ever tap on a keyboard! Not only will you have to come up with a rare 'great idea', you'll have to have it in a rare setting, with rare, yet exciting, compelling and somehow familiar characters. Is it too much to ask?

Now, I don't know how other writers do it without using the mediums of speculative fiction. Let's face it, science comes up with a hundred new story ideas a day... it goes where no man has gone before after all... even history and ancient fable reveals a little more of itself every day and the horrors known to man keep increasing and getting messier. Forgive me if I'm being biased, but aren't these all fodder for the speculative fiction writer? I suppose the world is changing so fast there is fodder for comedy, romance and crime fiction as well... okay, I'm genre biased. Anyway, the world provides plenty of opportunities for the next 'great idea', shove it all into your head, let it mix about for a while, and when it regurgitates, all you have to do is combine it with the 'amazing plot' and the 'sensational ending'. Do that and you're 70% of the way to a great story.


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Interrogatives
[info]herefordeye
2007-03-06 05:15 pm UTC (link)
er...umh....[cough]...[hack; hack]....do, re, mi, fa, sol...
Now that I have my voice where I want it:
The reader has to read the story and feel like the protag is speaking using their thought patterns.
The first writer these words conjure up is Stephen R. Donaldson, followed closely by China Mieville, both of whom strike me as totally unconcerned whether or not us readers feel as if their protagonistas are speaking using our thought patterns. I cannot read either one without a dictionary very close. However, that may support your thesis as I have stopped reading both.

Writing is not a thing where you try to impress the reader with your prose. OTOH, it is also not a thing where you wish to unimpress your reader with your prose. Back in my critting days, this was always the point that hung me up: incomprehensible prose. Not gibberish, not stylishness, but total unconcern with the logic of the verbiage, e.g., watching a building fire in a mountain 500 miles away.

You need to dream up the 100 and 1th 'great idea' or possibly the 200 and 2th 'great idea'. Can you expand on this one a bit more? Say I want to write a story about a youth raised by aliens who returns to her own society and recognizes she is now the change agent for that society. How many times has that been done? Can it not be done again? How many times has "the best laid plans of mice and men" been done? Can it not be done again? I think what you are driving at is the need to dream up your own hook, your own slant on the story, your own voice when it comes to the topic. Is that fair?

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[info]macdibble
2007-03-09 12:39 pm UTC (link)
I can't read Donaldson either. I can read Mieville and that's because I think he has something to say under all that prose. His prose I find adds to mood, it has a tempo and flow that is still pleasing even if it is not the prose of the common man... or requires a dictionary. He's an exceptional speaker too. I'm willing to believe in him and follow where he leads. This is a more complex issue than what I was addressing but it is interesting.

You were right when you said you don't want to unimpress the reader. If you can't be appealing to the reader, IMHO, you need to be invisible to the reader. You know I'm a big believer in intense Points of View and in that, the writer is invisible to the reader in favour of letting a character dominate. To a point, prose is best treated similarly: by letting a story dominate. Let's face it, most readers don't give a toss about most authors, all they want is a good story, so what is the point of impressing them anywhere BUT by the story.

I think estranged child who returns to lead a people is on the 'fantasy wheel' as a standard plot. If you have a new twist, pursue it. Fantasy, to a point, is like romance, there is a market for things that follow the genre expectations, a type of reader who wants to snuggle down with a blankie, a hot chocolate and something familiar, yet new. Other genres don't have these base markets to fall back on and fantasy isn't only covered by the 'wheel'. I don't write epic fantasy so I don't mean to talk about the reoccurring theme when I suggest the 200 and 2th great idea.

I think also, your first book has to be so much better than most other books. Every good book published raises the bar for the unpublished author by raising the expectations of the publishers and readers.

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Un otro interrogative
[info]herefordeye
2007-03-09 08:49 pm UTC (link)
Ah, but the estranged child who returns to lead a people onward and upward, if the sex is male, is RAH's "A Stranger in a Strange Land" which you might say is a kind of fantasy and I'd be inclined to agree with you but most will say it is a bright star in the sf firmament.
[quote]f you can't be appealing to the reader, IMHO, you need to be invisible to the reader.[/quote]
Been reading Ron Rosenbaum's "The Shakespeare Wars", a Christmas gift. Said wars rage over language and what it means to be Shakespearean. Point is: when you say you'll read and go where Mieville goes you are implicitly endorsing his prose; it takes you where you want to go. Old Wild Bill took his medieval audience where they wanted to go and they came back time and gain for him to do it again. For me, RAH did the same thing; as does Tepper and Tan, Cherryh and Scaldi, Haldeman, and Resnick, Radthorn and MacDibble. They all write in a way that appeals to me so I read whatever I can get my hands on.
I believe that goes much deeper than story, ma'am. I am fairly certain that speaks to quality of writing, or, in another word: prose.

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Re: Un otro interrogative
[info]macdibble
2007-03-09 10:38 pm UTC (link)
Thank you. I don't think I deserve to be in that esteemed list, but it looks good. Would you continue to read their prose if it took you nowhere?

I suppose the more one tries to analyse good writing, the more one makes errors and assumptions about just what it is that makes one story better than another.

It may well be just as healthy for new writers to tell them that writing is a form of magic and some writers can do magic better than others.

My favourite prose comes from Swanwick, it all does double duty, but I have to say he's as slow as a wet week in Wellington. His magic seems to take a long time.

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Is There Anything New Under the Sun?
(Anonymous)
2007-04-14 05:22 am UTC (link)
How right you are! I've given up and simply try to put my own imprint on a stale idea. If I enjoy the concept and still get excited about it, stands to reason someone else does, too.

How accurate is the old saw, "Write what you know"? I have fun writing the improbable. A lot of my characters begin as sterotypes, but the fun is in trying to make them unique and real, not someone you read about once. I doubt if I succeed. But it sure is fun to try.

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oops!
(Anonymous)
2007-04-14 05:33 am UTC (link)
I did not see the options for my last comment. Excuse me for commenting anonymously.

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